tv Face the Nation CBS October 26, 2014 10:30am-11:31am EDT
>> rose: i'm charlie rose today on "face the nation," lacest on ebola, terror and mid term elections. officials work to ease anxiety over new case of ebola in new york city. there is a new mandatory quarantine for health care workers returning from africa. does it go too far we'll talk to anthony fauci. husband with the mid term elections just nine days away what does the president have on the outcome. west virginia democrat will be here and we have new results on the senate races from "new york times" tracker survey. and this, after 1 years last marine unit in afghanistan has packed up is heading home. what is next for the u.s. in afghanistan. finally take look at the rise in home growner tror attacks with mike rogers and all-star panel.
60 years of news because this is "face the nation." captioning sponsored by cbs good morning we start with ebola in new york city, dr. craig spence the latest american to contract the disease remains hospitalized at bellevue hospital. but there is growing controversy over mandatory quarantine issued by the governors of new york, new jersey, illinois and florida. quarantine applies to all passengers coming back sible to the u.s. who have come in direct contact with ebola patients in west africa. start our coverage with dr. anthony fauci from the national institutes of health. good morning. do these quarantines go against science? because you've always insisted we should start with the science. >> first of all, the most important thing to protect the american people and as you said, you got to base your decision and policy on scientific evidence and scientific principles. what we are taking about health care workers coming back they are at different levels of risk
depending on their experience. and you tailor the kinds of monitoring passively, actively, direct according to that kind of risk. the idea of a blanket quarantine for people who come back could possibly have a negative consequence of essentially disincentivizing people from wanting to go there, the reason that's important because best way to protect americans is to stop the epidemic in africa we need those health care workers to do that. to put them in position when they come back no matter what, automatically they're under quarantine, can actually have unintended consequences that's reason why we're concerned. >> rose: suppose governors would say two things, number one, if you look at monitoring it doesn't seem necessary to work. and, two, we have responsibility to make sure that panic doesn't set in. >> that is correct. that's appreciated and understood. when you look at the kinds of
monitoring, continually on an every day basis making sure we're getting it work and doing it right, as you'll see the monitoring protocol that we pit in to place will be able to be tailored according to the scientific evaluation of the risk. so when you put everyone in the same basket, that is the thing that we're concerned about. >> in fact the nurses said i'm squared that they will see disorganization fear most frightening quarantine and disin senn i have to come. >> right. that's exactly what we're concerned about. it's totally understandable not being critical of people who make that decision and understand why they may want to do that. but we have to keep emphasizing, be careful, make sure that what your decisions and policy are based on scientific data and scientific evaluation. >> rose: do we have more on the doctor? >> i can't comment on his personal care because i'm not directly taking care of him i just have to have see what i read in the media.
>> rose: getting back to the science, can you get ebola from a bowling ball that's been in the hands ever someone? >> you have to come in to direct contact with the body fluids of someone who is sick with ebola. if a person who is without symptoms and not sick has a bowling ball, that is essentially no risk. so vanishingly small has to be unmeasurable. >> rose: in west africa is it moving to a tipping point or slowing down? >> well, you know, you can't tell because lot of cases now are becoming unreporte we know from the people who are there from our own people that it is still raging, it still needs considerable amount more effort on global community to try to stop that. particularly trained health care workers, hospital beds, the things that would put down an epidemic. >> rose: still a serious problem. >> someone who understands ebola, the forefront of this battle today, have you learned any new science based on what's happened so far or is it simply a new experience from the
numbers involved? >> it's much more a new experience and different circumstances that the fundamental scientific principles of how it's transmitted has hot been changed. the fundamental principles of contact tracing being paramount to your methodology of suppressing it. that hasn't changed. the experience of an explosion of an epidemic in highly populated area and exportation out that experience certainly is new. >> rose: of all the things that you have seen so far what is it that you think must be rebutted so as not to cause fear? >> well, i think rather than rebut just keep stating the fundamental principles, when someone is without symptoms, if you do not come in to contact with their body fluid, this is not spread the way other diseases like in flew seen or other types of respiratory diseases are spread where you can -- you and i could be talking i'm a little bit sick i go like that you can get -- you
don't get ebola that way. that is the thing we have to make absolutely certain. the only two people in the united states who have gotten ebola are brave, health care nurses who have taken care of a patient who was seriously ill. >> rose: what is most important thing we've learned so far? >> we've learned that we've got to be more -- continue to be aggressive in our educating people to understand. because right now we have devastating epidemic in west africa, we are having epidemic of fear in the united states. we've got to continue to try to educate people about what they need to or do not need to be afraid of. >> rose: so far is there no symptoms there's no contigen. >> right. you have to come in to direct contact. someone standing there looking well they're not going to transmit it. amber vincent just hearing from reports is doing quite well that's just second hand i haven't taken care of. nina is doing great, she's back
home, feeling well. she just sent me e-mail ten minutes ago saying, how are you doing, i miss you. >> rose: thank you very much. now go to new york cbs news chief head cool correspondent. >> dickerson: lapook. let me continue this conversation about health care workers you have talked to the nurse and to her parents. what are you learning from them? >> morning, charlie. mid the debate on one side we've heard that about whether or not there should be mandatory quarantine. but what i'm learning, on other side there should be no debate about whether we treat returning health care workers, who are there heroically with compassion and respect. i spoke to tracy this morning, and there's really two phases here, one is in the airport she felt that she really was not treated with respect. in fact she said at one point she felt she was being treated like a criminal. she didn't know what was going on, she was not aware of where she was going to go. several hours went by, she was
hungry, finally gave her a little bit of food. she went to the hospital in newark, university hospital in newark, there it changed. she was put in to a tent. the personnel for the most part, nurses and doctors were terrific. but still now in the second phase she went in to sort of not knowing what was going on. she was in sort of the didn't get her clothes, she wasn't able to take a shower, still hasn't been able to take a shower she has a little basin was able to give herself sponge bath there. is a sort of port-a-potty with a little curtain. her big question, what is going to happen next. she spoke to assistant commissioner who called her, what is next. really she wasn't given an answer she's sort of in limbo. what she wants to go is go back home. >> rose: has she said that it would be a deterrent for her if she knew she faced a quarantine
coming back from africa? >> i asked her about that, what are the repercussions, she said i think wisely, i'm right in the middle of it i need few days to think about that. then she added she did think that it could be deterrent to going over there. because after all, going over there heroically to try to face people on the other side of the ocean and putting yourself in danger then on top that have to have to worry about coming back and put in quarantine. she wrote down something, were you scared and what was the hardest part of being over there with the protective equipment. she said the equipment, he watching people separated from their family sick and scared. this is somebody who is truly compassionate, she just went over there to help people. her parents are beside themselves being so far away not being able to do something for their daughter. >> rose: for the record, do you think more and more people are raising concerns about the quarantine because it is not coming from science but from an
effort to make sure that there's not too much fear and panic? >> i think dr. fauci addressed that very well. i think what is important is that when you talk about doing the quarantine, seems like that audibles are being called. being done on the fly. this is something that has to be sought out she ended up being taken to a place that she said only one other person had ever been in that tent. there was no television, not that that's so crucial. no books. no ability to have access to a good computer network, she did send me some pictures on her iphone. but these things have to be thought out and logistically, these are people who are doing the work that needs to be done because in order to stop from coming over here we got to get rid of it in west of aa they're coming back here. how are we going to treat them? with respect and dignity that they deserve. >> rose: thank you. we want now to turn to west virginia democratic senator from west virginia, jo manchin, good
morning, senator. >> good morning, how are you? >> rose: good to speak with you. the republicans according to the polls even trends may lose the step at of that? senate and implications. >> our democrats that we have running right now in the so-called red state. this is the strength of our moderate team. charlie, forever one to change washington you have to have moderates, whether it be in democrats or republicans. i'm hoping all the people in the states whether down in louisiana up to alaska, and all of our people that we have in arkansas. this is the strength of our moderates. in new hampshire, we have of course these are people that are willing to reach across the aisle, trying to find solutions
for americans the citizens and constituents and voters of those states. >> rose: how different are these moderates in terms much positions from the president? >> i know what people are asking, can the president help them in those states. i don't think he can help in those states. these people haveoted against the president on most of what -- i've always said this, no matter who the president is, whether it's george bush, whether it's barack obama or whoever the next president. we should all want the president to do well but we have responsibility especially as senators to speak up when we think it's not in the best interest of our country or our states that we represent. these are the people that do that. let's look on republican side. we've got lamar alexander, we have susan collins, we've got lindsey graham those are good people. >> rose: the president said in radio spot that they have been very helpful to him in getting his agenda passed.
>> that might be his evaluation. you know one thingf that agenda looks good for america we're talking about then they're going to vote. but just saying the president calls up telling them how to vote, that doesn't happen. i know that for a fact. i'm living proof of that. but when you see what is good no matter who the president is what the policy may be you do what is best for your country first. can't we get out of this type of attacking each other and talk in be americans first. we can be conservative and liberals if you want to be. >> rose: if the polls are right democrats turn this around in the next nine days, the perception may have set in. >> let me just say this. i've never seen this much money, it's a shame, it's almost an
absolute shame in what is being done to the american voters having this much money spent trying to believe that you're somebody you're not or someone controlling your vet or controls how you think or what you say. i know these people, that's not the case. for them to say based on all this money and still every race i have seen, charlie, i just spoke about was in the margin of error it can go either way. i think hopefully when the people look at who represents them, best interest of what they're doing and how they have been doing it, if they vote for some of these really great moderate democrats who have been there. >> rose: you have addressed issues of guns, another shooting incident, is guns, are they an issue in this election? >> would like to think that we can have elected officials with enough fortitude to basically look at guns, i am a lifetime member of the nar i have a gun person, i enjoy.
i enjoy this, i think it's for good purpose, but with that being said got to have gun sense f. i don't know who you are, charlie, i'm a law abiding gun owner, i'm not going to do something wrong because i own a gun. but i also law abiding gun owner be response official i go to a commercial gun show, if i go on the internet, i want to know who wants to buy my gun and i would think they would want to know who they're telling their gun to. that is common gun sense. most gun owners agree with that. that's all we did. >> rose: one important issue of foreign policy. today american marines turned over camp in afghanistan they are leaving afghanistan do you believe that afghanistan faces some consequence because of the declining american military presence there? >> charlie, hindsight is 20/20. i've been in that area, most all
senators have been over, had privilege of going and seeing the tremendous dedication from our troops that support us and defend us. with that being said i hope better evaluations have been made on ability of afghans to defend themselves, they have the will to fight, do their leaders are they committed to have tranquil type of transition, better quality of life for that part of the world and their people there. that didn't happen in iraq. we do not want to see what happened in iraq repeated. but they're going to have to have desire to defend and die for their country. we have shed enough blood and spent enough treasury in that part of the world and haven't changed it. if the people don't want change we can't give it to them. i have very thankful that our people our marines are coming home. i'm very thankful for that. >> rose: you just rushed i think from -- returned and talked to officials of the british government, mike rogers just returned we'll talk about
that, do you support what the president has done with respect to fighting isis in syria? >> i'm not for putting american troops on the ground. did i not vote to go in there and try to fight 5,000 syrian rebels who we think could be kind, considerate, compassionate. pay $500 million expect them to turn around fight the isis then turn around to get drawn in to a civil war. i don't think after 1 years have we learned nothing i've said in great state of west virginia we have a little common sense we understand the definition of insanity, continue to do the same thing and expected something different to happen. with that being said, certainly we should take -- happy to help tactical and technically helping you with the air war it should be a ground war. saudis have to engage, turks have to engage,he kurds are
only ones that seem to want to fight and defend and die for what they believe in. until we see the other regions we're not going to change that. if we can contain them there, leave them there, i don't know what else to do. they are intent on destroying each other they have been doing it for 1400 years, bottom line we should be very clear in our position, in the world, if you are training to do harm to americans we'll come take you out wherever you are. >> rose: thank you so much for joining us this morning. we'll be right back. when change is in the air you see things in a whole new way. it's in this spirit that ing u.s. is becoming a new kind of company. one that helps you think differently about what's ahead, and what's possible when you get things organized. ing u.s. is now voya. changing the way you think of retirement.
>> rose: claire man mike rogers. you just returned to britain and other places, with that said, the brits have taken a position they will do what they can do in iraq but not in syria. were you successful in trying to change their mind? >> we had a lot of very destructive conversations with the security committee folks and intelligence services and
defense individuals, i will say this, one of the things that i think has shocked our british friend, is this lack of strategy. i think they will be with us if we can put together a coherent strategy for syria and iraq. i really do believe that. >> rose: what kind of strategy that we need that we do not have now? >> if you think of what we're doing, really very big problem. what we're going to need to do is further engage our nato allies, going to nd to allow special forces capability, soldiers both from britain and united states and others to go down range with these individuals that we have trained, both iraq, iraq see soldiers and seen syria that would allow more effective fighting on the ground. >> rose: that is putting combat troops on the ground, isn't it? >> we didn't have war with isis in the beginning, we had a war on semantics, that is dangerous place to be, when you think of boots on the ground, big maneuver elements, brigades.
i don't think we should eliminate it. >> rose: if necessary would you recommend it? military says we need it? american boots on the ground in syria to stop sizes, you're in favor. >> if that -- here is my concern f. we don't do this smaller more effective thing now we will get to the point where we're going to have to have big maneuver military elements. special forces capabilities, special capability soldiers and intelligence officials are needed if you're going to be more impactful. if you put 20-year plan together to beat isil. >> rose: move to another concern among many people is the idea of lone wolf. people in the united states or in canada on their own, what kind of threat dos that pose to our own national security. >> huge and gelling worse. here is the problem. in britain they're very close to being over watched, meaning resources can't keep up with the individuals that have both gone to syria and fought and have come back. there will be a point where they
will have to do priority list meaning people are a danger they can't keep up with. we're not that far behind. canadians are not behind. australia not far behind. australian case so concerning is these people wanted to go to syria to fight they were told by the isil leadership folks, stay in australia, spontaneous act of terror, kidnap people, cut their heads off and videotape it. that's what's changed. that's why people are so upset. >> rose: say to the report that we read in the "new york times" last week that they're unsuccessful generally when they come to the aid of these kind of people. >> unsuccessful in terms of -- >> rose: of providing covert aid to groups that are fighting government. >> well, again, i think with more overt nato-based operation is very different kind of operation. i will tell you that watching this problem develop over last
three years in multiple places in the world it has been less than effective. we have not seen the kind of results that we would hope to have seen but we should learn from that experience. and one thing that we know if you have those special capability soldiers down range with them in this fight, those forces tend to fight better, they know that they can get medevaced off the battlefield, their intelligence is better and target sense are better. >> rose: thank you, mike rogers. back in a moment. stay with us. synchrony financial partners with over two hundred thousand businesses, from fashion retailers to healthcare providers, from jewelers to sporting good stores, to help their customers get what they want and need. banking. loyalty. analytics. synchrony financial. engage with us.
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camp leatherneck. >> rose: is this really it for these marines? >> aside from handful of marines that will cycle through kabul this is officially it for the marines. been a long 13 years here particularly in helman province. but everyone i've spoken to here from the commanders on down really consider this a successful mission. they think the afghan army is up to the task of securing the region and they point to the months of that because afghan took on taliban by themselves without any ground support. they acknowledge that there is still a lot of work to be done, still some insecurity particularly on the road but they think afghans are up to the task they think it's time they took over. >> rose: in afghanistan, thanks. we'll be right back. how can power consumption in china, impact wool exports from new anzeald, textile production in spain, and the use of medical technology in the u.s.? at t. rowe price,
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>> rose: clarissa ward is here along with mike morell and "washington post" columnist david ignatious. let me go, mike, first to this question of lone wolves and home grown terror. what do you make and what do you assess from canada and the u.s. and new york? >> so, charlie, we have had three attacks in the last week. two in canada, one in new york city. and there was terrorist attack in united states last week, media sort of didn't pay a lot of attention to it, but there was. also in last month we've had arrests in australia, malaysia, france and united kingdom arresting people who are planning attacks. this is a very significant threat, self radicalization inspired by isis message. >> rose: how do you combat it? >> you have to cam bat it whole
number of ways. you have to be on these websites where these individuals are going and getting radicalized and when they talk about violence and committing violence you have to investigate them. and you also have to take on the narrative, not something the united states can do by itself, we need the help of allies and moderate clerics to be able to fight this. >> rose: this is tougher than has been going on in the middle east. >> yes. also add that one of the problems we have now the former director of the national counter terrorism center is what ed snowden did made both law enforcement against this problem and intelligence against this problem for difficult. >> rose: you have talked to people who have been recruited. what is it that attracts them? >> i think sometimes we forget that there is a real ideology behind this. this isn't just a bunch of psychopaths who see people getting beheaded online think i want a part of that. there is a perception that they are the vic testimonies of a war
that the west is waging against islam. and so there's annie peel that comes with essentially trying to be a hero and go in and defend your religion and defend the innocent muslims being persecuted. that's the first thing. the second thing when you look at the shift in recruitment much radicalization, you just touched on this, the whole to which internet is playing. people are not being recruited any longer in mosques by clerics with very foreign sounding names. they're being recruited online, behind closed doors by people who speak their language, by people who they may even know who come from their own country which is why some sorts are calling fledgling jihad. sometimes the families don't know. the question becomes, if you don't know that your own son or daughter is being radicalized online how can authorities monitor that. >> rose: in the sense the message is, feeding in to a grievance, a place where you can join a crusade against them. >> this is a real battlefield
where muslims are taking the law in to their own hands, so to speak, fighting back against the oppression of the west. they look at the invasions of iraq and afghanistan, they look at drone strikes and they believe fundamentally that the u.s. wants to obliterate islam. that is their ideology. >> rose: young women are included as well. >> they are. it's amazing to see how many young women are going over to join isis or marry jihadi fighters i think sometimes we forget all of this that there is certain romance to the narrative of jihad as well. very young teenage girl living sort of middle class suburban live in the u.k. or u.s. or canada or wherever it may be and suddenly you're talking online to this brave, handsome young warrior who is risking his life to fight jihad there is a real romance to that narrative especially for a -- >> rose: we need message to counter act that make sure it's not against islam.
on the ground you were just in the middle east where do we stand in the fight against isis and the iraqi made a difference. >> i just got back from lebanon and jordan which are both next to these wars, one in syria, one in iraq. i found people who were anxious, who wanted to see what the u.s. strategy for combating this problem was, who were in some cases be very impatient as u.s. slowly moves in to its -- >> rose: from the united states and is it u.s. leadership they think is essential? >> i think that people in the region are comfortable with president obama's statement that the arab muslim world has to take the lead. that the boots on the ground have to be principally in iraq, iraqis from the kurdish part of the country, new sunni national guard in the sunni areas. shia fighters in the army of
iraq, in serious more complicated because boots on the ground have to be created. but again there's an idea the administration has. emphasize coming back from there is that time is really slipping away. that people have been waiting now for a month for signs that the u.s. is serious. take the national guard in iraq, sunnis are ready in the tribes, i think, to join up with this force. yet the weeks passed it hasn't been created yet, if they can move quickly -- >> rose: to do to make them understand the appreciates the time dimension. >> get the formation of sunni national guard units in iraq with major are tribal leadership, 5,000 people moving toward training in the next two weeks that be would crucial. if you could also get a statement by the president that the u.s. advisors will travel in to combat areas with those forces that would be crucial. >> rose: i think that we have
to be careful that we don't get impatient here. the president made it very clear this is going to take a very long time and he's absolutely right. my sense where we are on iraq side of the border is, in those cases where we've had good forces, iraqi side, we have done well. we've also made a conscious decision, charlie, not to take weak forces in to battle. we have to make sure that when we take these forces in to battle they're going to be effective. and that is going to take some time. so let's not get impatient here. other thing i'd say on advisors is, i would move from the brigade level to the forward operating base level in terms much advisors. but i would not put advisors with units that are actually doing the fighting. the reason i wouldn't do that, at the end of the day the iraqis have to fight this war themselves and when you put -- take a u.s. special forces guy and put him in a unit they become michael jordan, superman. they take over the fighting.
iraqis have to do this themselves. i'd be a little cautious about putting u.s. special forces right on the ground with the guys doing the fighting. >> rose: just take moment to talk about afghanistan, too. we saw today the marines leaving camp leatherneck. when you look at that war which all of you have participated in terms of different capacities of journalism, in the cia, after 13 years what do we say about what we achieved, appreciating the loss in blood and treasure? >> i think it's difficult to make that statement just yet. i think we have to watch what happens over the coming years. december 31 was the official end to combat operations but obviously there were lessons learned in iraq so we are leaving just under 10,000 u.s. troops, 2,000 nato troops and continue to advise and train the afghan army but the world will be smaller contingency of special operation forces who will continue to launch counter
terrorism rates raids as well. one that struck me when i went to afghanistan, i went to the base in the pesh river valley, some of the hottest activity lot of americans died there. they had this hand this base over to the afghan troops there were flags and anthems like we saw today. within a month, the taliban had closed down the road that would allow the afghan army to get their logistics and supplies they weren't able -- couldn't get food, water, munition, they went in to survival mode they stripped the base completely bear. they weren't going out on their patrol within another couple of months americans had to come back in, retrain and rebuild the entire base. and that -- very much hoping to avoid that scenario or the repeat. but so far i don't think there are any guarantees. >> rose: mike, when you look at the front page story in the "new york times" today about what happened to jim foley
including water boarding. they say, well that's what the americans did. >> my mind, charlie, no equivalency. what the united states did to a very small number of senior al qaeda operatives, the worst of the worst, was used to get information to stop attacks that were going to kill americans. that was the intent. the intent here on the part of isis just punishment. >> rose: punish: one last question about allies there. what success are we getting from sunni arabs in convincing soup knee militias and provinces to come fight against isis and not stay on the fence. >> charlie, u.s. commanders think that they have several dozen sunni tribal leaders in iraq who are prepared to move toward a program that would be a kind of sunni national guard. we'll see in the next couple of weeks whether that is real or not. i think going this broader question of long haul fight,
things don't involve boots or bullets. changing the education system in the muslim middle east so that people aren't radicalized. it's working with prisoners that will become schools for jihaddists, finding way to talk good sense online to young people. as much as the u.s. needs to work with allies to crank up the fighting side of this, i really hope they're paying attention to the long run. this really is generational issue and unless more money and effort goes in to that it's going to be the same thing every few years, i fear. >> rose: thank you, david. thank you mike. thank you, clarissa. we'll be back to talk about mid term elections and politics.
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leonhardt and cbs political news director of director and cbs news nancy corder, having said all of that -- give us a snapshot of the moment. >> snapshot republicans go in to the final week with the edge to retake the senate. big picture we think they will get at least 51 seats for majority. wouldn't be surprise understand they get 52. but they haven't sewn it up yet. when it gets lit on election night on that second or third cup of coffee we'll look at three races, our results suggest. going to come down to iowa, to colorado and georgia. those three wins the senate. >> rose: takes us to colorado. colorado is fascinating president bush won it twice and obama ma flipped it. mid term electorate is for favorable to -- democratic incumbent mark udall leading to
gardener. the question here really is, are democrats going to be able to turn out young voters and latinos and others in mid term year to resist this republican. >> rose: is the focus on this senate race most typical of the nation that we can learn most from? >> it actually isn't. because -- all right. i think colorado -- hold on. i'm going to bring you back a little bit. colorado and iowa are going to be very important. republicans this map is always benefited them. these are red states up in mid term year. they should be able to win those red states and control the senate. but if a place like colorado, iowa or new hampshire, that they need to be able to win a national election for 2016. we're all going to be focusing very much especially on colorado and as david said been swinging back and forth to see if that republicans can figure out the magic to be able to win in place
they needy electoral college. >> rose: how much factor is the democratic ground game? >> that's the factor. there are whole bunch of republicans have post traumatic stress thinking about the ground game. up in polls in the 2010 election. then losing on the ground in that election. obama was going to made very close race in 2012 is big win. republicans say we have right candidates this year and better ground game. democrats say, we've got a new system of voting legislature put in to place, every voter gets a poll mailed to them don't have to ask for them it just shows up they can track those voters now better than ever. >> rose: something else happening in colorado that all these other races, do things, one the focus of democrats on women. it has been when you travel in that state feels like women's reproductive rights are on the ballot themselves alls ref wren rum. and democrats have run that play book, the question is do they
find way to blunt that or old play book doesn't work. as amy said, colorado matters because we draw grand conclusions, it's a battleground state that will be battleground state in the 2016 election. one other important thing about colorado is that cory gardener is a good candidate. in the past republican senatorial chances have been doomed because of candidates. gardener is good representative of the kind of solid republican candidate who is running a pretty goody lex and that matters across all these places that's one way which the affordable care acts matters. he wouldn't have gotten in the race if the affordable care act hadn't softened up the democrats. it's not a big deal here at the end that is one way which that president obama care mattered to recruit the candidates and to that point across all of these races where we see candidates favorable on the rise, coyy gardener. and where voters are telling us what they have seen in the last weeks of these candidates has
made them think better that have candidate. that has not happened everywhere. but where we see it in colorado, in georgia, that candidate is actually moving a little bit. >> rose: okay. we mentioned iowa earlier. what is does the tracking show? >> a dead heat. the republicans and bruce the democrat. the dead heat part of what so fascinating is that really conservative and bruce is a proudly populous liberal. whoever wins here talking about two very different candidates. >> rose: who is running the better campaign? >> most people would say ernst is. braley criticized iowa farmers doesn't seem the kind of thing you want to do. on the other hand this is race somewhere republicans should win. iowa is a close state, mid term election with the democratic president, the fact that it's a dead heat suggests us that the campaigns are not wildly divergent in their quality. >> this is another state like colorado, like alaska where democrats like to talk about their ground game. they say if we're behind by a point or two going in to
election day, we can make it up with ground game. republicans can see democrats in the past have been better at this. they say they're getting better and they point out a ground game helps you, but can't help you if the message isn't going your way, too. if you are losing on message you are not going to win on ground game because whatever you do to try to get your voters out they're not as enthusiastic as the other side. >> rose: let me to go georgia. michelle nunn is surprise that it seems that she is gaining. >> it is. this is one of the very few states democrats think they have chance to take from the republicans. mostly play can defense. michelle is gaining, down right now in our survey if you include those who are just there. now, this is another race that comes down to turn out, comes down to ground game the big question here is, will this go to a run off. if nobody gets 50% in georgia, they hold a run-off election in two months. and that could actually be where
we all head to take control of the senate. may not end on election night. >> at this point based on your numbers, georgia is the only state where republicans have chance of losing one of their seats. in kentucky still a wide gap between the minority leader mitch mcconnell and grimes in san diego that was democratic -- south dakota that was pipe dream, doesn't look good there. they're pinning all their hopes on georgia. >> rose: you were just in louisiana, how does that look? >> she is the democrat who is using every tool of incumbency. used to be rule, you were pretty safe. she is in trouble almost certain to go to a run-to have she's basically saying, though, i'll be chairman -- i am chairman of the energy committee i can bring in -- i can do good things for oil and gas interests in the state and katrina comes up all the time in that state. and what her argue system basically, another one is coming, you remember i was here
for you after katrina last time when another hurricane hits why do you want to get rid of your hurricane insurance, which to say her, with another disaster. but in the polls doesn't look like it's going to get her to that 50% which means there's run-off probably in louisiana. >> all of this speaks to the other narrative here, too, can democrats win in the south. and with moderates, in north carolina as well. we have kay hagan up now few points. in her race this is another case where between arkansas, between north carolina, between louisiana as you mentioned in georgia the qstion is will there be any democratic senators left in the south after this. that's one place where they are certainly trying to hang on. >> north carolina. why is she doing well? >> she is doing well because she has to able to localize this race. democrats have said we're going to lose if this is national election we'll try to localize it. we are seeing talking to people on the ground there, it is
tightening back up and that tom has been able to renationalize it in part thanks to talk about ebola, terrorism, that he brings it back to obama. she's localized on issues of education specifically because tom is -- >> rose: vote in smoke. >> that is going to be important to try to generate that vote. what democrats have to do in the south is do much better than the p president among white voters. not enough to have a black turn out hitting historic margins. you need to be able to -- >> what's happening in georgia. it's local senate conditions and this outsourcing, the republican, business career in which he used outsourcing, georgia has second highest unemployment rate in the country lot of those white voters have lost jobs. they see him perhaps as kind of person embodying that negative economic conditions that may be what is helping michelle there. >> let's be clear, north carolina and georgia are different from louisiana and arkansas. north carolina and georgia were the two narrowist victories for
mitt romney sible to 12. it's less of a -- >> rose: one more state. kentucky, tell me about kentucky. >> kentucky, you know, we haven't seen much tightening there, the minority leader mitch mcconnell who has had a tough race republicans say he's going to win but going to win ugly. they still feel very confident that he will be. >> i think so. this is one of the races. georgia is going to be the most important not just because -- in 2016 this is state that democrats can put in play. >> rose: is this a wave election? >> i don't think it is. i think wave election you see republicans winning easily. people winning iowa and colorado and making inroads in michigan and new hampshire this will be goody lex for republicans, i don't think it -- >> rose: what about this election coming two years before presidential election? >> most important thing to look at is republican brand. that is what they got to figure out if they can fix it in time for 2016.
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